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#480765 - 11/15/19 04:48 PM Style for "Red Rubber Ball"
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Hi - trying to work out "Red Rubber Ball" on Genos ... seems the tempo is either 190 or 95, depending on the 'feel' of the style. At styles that sort of work at T=95, the measure is too long (the song is maybe 2/4 instead of 4/4??)

Pop Folk (or is it Folk Pop) works fairly well, but the drums end up "off" due to the 2/4 measures in the song.

Does anyone know of a good style for this song, whether one I can purchase from Yamaha, or another vendor of styles? The song is a bit unique in a few ways - the 2/4 feel, and how the drums/"band" sound during the refrain or Chorus of the song ...

Thanks for any help!
-Jim


Edited by jimlaing (11/15/19 04:48 PM)
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#480766 - 11/15/19 05:16 PM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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Love to hear it when your done..

Good luck


Edited by Dnj (11/16/19 09:08 AM)

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#480771 - 11/15/19 07:22 PM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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If you had a E-A7 "Brit pop" would work @ 95 tempo.
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#480824 - 11/16/19 10:24 AM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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Is there a resource where someone has translated E-A7 styles over to Yamaha format??
-Jim
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#480838 - 11/16/19 12:46 PM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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Jim, I never converted the E-A7 to Yamaha.. I used One man band arranger software (Yamaha format), so I did convert the G70 to Yamaha. . Some are okay but most need work, that maybe can be edited on the Tyros.

I never bothered because I don't need them..

Here are the G70 to Yamaha styles..

I think the conversion problems are because the G70 has 4 intros, 4 endings, and 6 fills. They don't translate to the Yamaha specs very well.


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G70 to Yamaha.zip (19 downloads)

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#480843 - 11/16/19 01:05 PM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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I've converted the BK9 styles to SFF2, but noone is tweaked so far, just quick raw convert.
If BritPop is similiar to the one Fran mention, try and see how it works out.
Be prepared to do some work.....



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British Pop.STY (89 downloads)

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#480987 - 11/18/19 09:25 AM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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Here is a quick recording of "Red Rubber Ball" (no vocals); I ended up using built-in style "Folk Pop", but I will need the "Style Reset" feature (on Genos 2.0 update) since rhythm goes "off" (as you'll hear about halfway through) due to the way the song is structured. Otherwise, it makes an OK style. It doesn't have the signature drum "hits" in the chorus, as the original song has, but I play the chorus a bit more "staccato" to cover for that a bit :-)

Here it is (MP3 file, hopefully the attachment works)
-Jim


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RedRubberBall.mp3 (34 downloads)

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#480989 - 11/18/19 09:34 AM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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clap Jim you really brought this old classic Pop song back to life!!

Thank for sharing....
did you use the converted EA7 style?.or something else?..

thanx for sharing your work with us !!

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#480992 - 11/18/19 09:41 AM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: Dnj]
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Good job, Jim ...
When a style isn't 'spot on', I always ask myself "will the audience REALLY notice the difference?" ... There are times when 'close enough' has to be 'good enough' ...
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#481216 - 11/19/19 05:31 PM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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To answer Dnj's question - after trying a lot of styles (including that EA7 converted style), I ended up settling on the built-in one called "Pop Folk" (or Folk Pop?!) - it was as Tony mentioned: "good enough" even if not "perfect" or ideal ... it worked OK . . .

Jim
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#481221 - 11/19/19 07:30 PM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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Hi Jim,
If not totally suitable , have you considered a copy & paste of style tracks?
If it’s just something minor that stops it from being just what you want, ie bass isn’t right or drums, whatever, maybe you could get what you want from a different style?
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#481280 - 11/20/19 02:08 PM Re: Style for "Red Rubber Ball" [Re: jimlaing]
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Hi - thanks - yes I thought about that - I could not find another style that had the unique drums that are in the Chorus of the song. It's likely that a new Style could be made from scratch or with enough MIDI event editing etc., but I didn't have the time to devote to that, so chose a "best I could find" style, which seems to work fairly well. I accentuate the chords I play in the Chorus, to give some of the feel that the drums in the original have in the chorus ...

Thanks again,
Jim
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